Is the Air Force a branch for spoilt-kids?
It’s the most toughest to enlist in. Offers the best benefits of the military (Army, Navy etc). And the chance of living and not dying in war is more than 50% compared to Army and Marines. And living condition is much better off.
Yes i loved being spoilt like on the night the Berlin wall went up Friday the 12 august 1961 doing 8 hrs on flight line Duties and 8 hrs Guard duty and spending the other 8 hrs sleeping in a cockpit three days and when we asked for time off we were told Forget it in relation to the Politicians my 38 years was closer to 50 years so much for queens regulation in 1953 which stated ever member of the services is entitled to 8 hrs uninterrupted Sleep HA double HA
In my room in Germany where 2 cooks who got up every morning a 0400 Hrs
and i really loved doing Explosives convoys during peace time sleeping on the back of the Truck with the Explosives
doing Night duty on a special weapons Squadron with temperatures of -27 degrees My overcoat got wet and Froze and when i took it off it stood up all by itself
and During the malaysian emergency and the Confrontation Living in tents doing 8 hrs bombing up aircraft 8 hrs on a bren gun and about 6 hrs sleep
and during the Nato or Seato exercises that lasted for 2 weeks in every month working an average of 14 hrs a day yes lots of pampering
but for about 18 weeks of the year yes i slept in a real bed
and i can not count the amount of times i have been called out from my bed with my wife for a special operation and when i left the Air force after 38 years they owed me over 900 hrs of leave in Lieu 113 days lost never paid put down as gift to my country
there is No job in the Military that can be called Easy Yes i lived on base in air-conditioned and central heated accommodation with temps for 6 months of the year below 15 degrees C it kept us alive
No, my parents were nowhere near spoiled and they enlisted in it. Shouldn’t assume things.
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It requires people that know how to spell "spoiled" can can put together a coherent sentence. BTW, all the military services offer exactly the same benefits.
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is this the boi row ball sucky choi indonesian air force?
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The honest truth…… Hells ya the Air Force is for spoiled kids. I worked with them in Kuwait and they had swimming pools, movie theaters, and Subway. They always have the nicest barracks they rarely see combat unless they are spec ops or a pilot. The reason it’s hard to enlist is because you have to have a high asvab score and a near perfect record.
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What do you mean benefits vary? They don’t. Dude, the benefits are the same across the branches. I suggest you check your facts before you start ranting.
Yes, I do agree the USAF has a better standard of living, but you will see a vast socioeconomic range of enlistment in the USAF just like the other branches. I guarantee they know how to spell spoiled too. Not spoilt.
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I just joined the Chair Force myself.
Look at it this way. Each branch has different needs. They all make fun of one another. There’s pros and cons to each. Yes the Air Force tends to treat its people better, but what’s wrong with that? I respect the Marines very much. My grandad was a career man and I learned all about it. But, that doesn’t mean I want to sleep in the mud. The A.F. has the highest ASVAB standards, and the highest behavioral standards. If you’re the wild sort, don’t bother. The Marines have the greatest physical demands, and they do NOT tolerate punks. They are the first ones in and the last ones out and they don’t have time for attitude. The Navy’s pretty even keel. Just don’t join the Army. They will take nearly anyone, I don’t care how many times they’ve been arrested or how dumb they are. And they are are shown time after time to leave their people out in the cold.
The A.F. is a good opportunity, and you may take some ribbing, but who cares what others think anyway? Serving this country is something to be proud of, regardless of branch. Why be unnecessarily uncomfortable if you can avoid it?
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As a Cav Scout stationed in Germany, I worked with AF personnel at Ramstein AFB many times, in addition to a few missions at CMTC that the brass forced us to do with AF personnel.
Let me tell you, I wasn’t impressed at all.
First, let me start off that the few AF personnel that were stationed at the Army base I was at in Germany and Korea got extra money for "Substandard Living", even though the barracks had just been refurbished both times. They got it automatically for being on an Army base.
When I got to Germany, the Scouts in my platoon had just gotten back from Albania where they did a deployment while the US air campaign against Yugoslavia was going on. The Army personnel lived in GP tents at the end of a runway at an Albanian AF base with no heat or AC, or running water. Anytime they had to go to the bathroom, they had to get in full battle-rattle and poop/pee out in front of God and everyone. On that same base, USAF personnel were living in a building that was on the runway, with electricity and running water. When they were off-duty, they could wear civilian clothes. At first the AF wouldn’t let Army personnel use the showers in the building, but after arguing, they finally did, but during odd hours that were of no help for the Army personnel.
And that’s just one example.
We were forced to do a mission at CMTC with AF Forward Air Controllers while AFN videotaped the mission. The AF personnel couldn’t keep up with us, even when we carried their rucksacks. As a result, AFN had a hard time finding opportunities to shoot footage that would put the AF in a positive light. To make matters worse, Scouts are trained to call in air strikes and artillery, so what would be the point of FAC going with us?
I was helping to load aircraft for a deployment our unit in Germany was doing to Hungary. I was in the process of securing a Humvee to the floor of a C-130 Herc, as I had been since early that morning. As I was lying on the floor of the aircraft under the vehicle hooking up the straps, I saw the AF personnel leaving the aircraft. I asked if something was wrong as they exited the plane, and they told me they were going to lunch and be back "in an hour or so". The advance guard of our unit was in Hungary and waiting on vehicles and personnel, and these guys were literally going out to lunch. What happened to "mission first"?
Honestly, when people find out I was in the Army and ask me what job in the Army I’d suggest, I tell them "The Air Force". Unless you want to do something hard-core or medical, I’d go AF. Of course, you may not be able to look at yourself in the mirror anymore, but that’s up to you.
BTW, my comments about AF personnel don’t apply to PJ’s and Combat Controllers. They actually do work, unlike most AF personnel.
ADDED: My ASVAB score was high enough for me to pick any branch/MOS I wanted. I wanted to look back and feel that I challenged myself and acomplished some good, not to skate through life and see how much crap I could get out of and live a lavish lifestyle at the expense of the American taxpayer.
That why I enlisted AFTER I graduated college. I could have gotten a job with some corporation, but I wanted the experience of being in a combat arms MOS in the Army.
To attempt to use the arguement that I didn’t score high enough on the ASVAB and I’m "playa-hating" here just proves the warped mindset of many AF personnel.
Honestly…having airmen take your tray when you’re done eating in an AF dining facility? Give me a freaking break…
I’d rather have a better weapon systems or better vehicle and use it to help mankind and make the world a better place than to have an "All-U-Can-Eat Champaign Brunch" at an AF base.
ADDED Pt II: I respect the work Armouror2000 did "back in the day", but that was when the AF actually did some work. The airlift during the Berlin Blockade is an example of the USAF at it’s best. But since I joined the US Army starting in ‘94, it hasn’t been that way.
The mindset of the USAF has totally lost focus of what their primary job is. To many, the primary focus of the USAF is to make life as cushy as possible. No, it’s not like that for everyone and every AF facility, but it is for the vast majority of them. That mindset has carried over into other areas.
What am I talking about? How’s this for example:
http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=33653
Scores of medal winners never entered combat zone
"This time last year, an Air Force lieutenant colonel was leading a team of mechanics and maintenance crews at Whiteman Air Force Base, Mo., making sure the B-2 bomber was a regular player in the air campaign against Yugoslavia some 5,000 miles away. For his efforts, he is among the nearly 200 Air Force members to receive the nation’s fourth-highest combat award, the Bronze Star.
And like the lieutenant colonel, the vast majority of those who received the coveted awards did so for actions far from the combat zone. "
"For the first time in U.S. history, scores of troops who never went near the combat zone are being given Bronze Star combat medals, while — perhaps ironically — most of the ground troops closest to the fighting have gotten none."
"As the war kicked into high gear, 5,000 Army soldiers, in what was dubbed Task Force Hawk, slogged their way into the muddy fields and rugged mountains of Albania and set up attack bases, poised to launch tank-killing helicopters and missiles into Kosovo. Although they were never used in combat, two aviators were killed training in Albania’s highlands —the only casualties of the conflict —and many of those troops were among the first to roll into a still smoldering Kosovo.
Since the war has ended, Army peacekeepers have driven back riots while being pummeled with rocks and sticks, shelled by mortars, shot at and injured by land mines. (NOTE: I was one of those Army peacekeepers that had to deal with that.)
None of them have received the Bronze Star. "
Here’s more:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/spoilt
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Ex-US Army Cav Scout NCO & BA in Pol Sci
Someone couldn’t score high enough on the ASVAB for the USAF obviously (Heart of Darkness)…
There is nothing wrong with having better QOL (Quality of Life) standards. Like the above statement I made to Heart of Darkness, the ones that call us AF members lazy or spoiled are usually the ones that couldn’t score high enough on the ASVAB to join our ranks. We only act spoiled when other accomodations aren’t up to our standards. Every branch of the military has the opportunity each fiscal year to vie for funds to improve QOL standards, but obviously it seems as if funds are spent elsewhere…
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USAF Member
I can assure you that there are spoilt kids in every branch of the military.
I am not sure what death rates have to do with that though??
The benefits are basically the same across the services. The standard of living varies dramatically though, the Air Force is tops in that department.
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Don’t listen to the "better living conditions" stuff. That’s totally dependent upon what base you’re at. My husband is AD AF, and our base is trying to privatize, only no one will take over because the housing is so awful. Literally, more than half of the housing units are condemned from black mold, so they’re tearing them down- in order to keep the percentage of occupied units high enough to receive federal funding. It really sucks for those of us who have to live on base (husband has to be able to respond within a certain time limit, and no towns are close enough for him to do so).
All of the branches offer the same benefits… And the Army has a couple of state of the art hospitals, compared to the Air Force.
The chance of living during war isn’t something to necessarily be concerned about constantly. Of all of the deployed soldiers (all branches included) only .31% have lost their lives in this war (which is not to minimize the importance of those who have lost their lives, but rather to point out that it shouldn’t be a determining factor for which branch you will join, since it’s not a huge risk. You have a better chance of dying in a car accident in the US).
Oh, and my husband wasn’t spoiled by any means. I was, and never joined any of the branches. So I would say that the "spoiled kids" go to college right out of high school, and don’t join the military.
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AF wife, Navy daughter
It’s really a shame you can’t spell spoiled. Maybe then I’d actually have an iota of respect for you. How, exactly, would you figure that the Air Force is for "spoilt" people? It’s not like an Ivy League school that you can buy your way into with daddy’s money or reputation…you have to earn your right to be there!
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Proud USAF wife
No, it’s for people who join the military without wanting to do too much work. their pt is a joke. Other than some pilots and spec. ops. guys, the rest just sit around a lot and have little risk of being shot because of their distance from the battlefield. Most of the jobs people do in the air force are support positions that can be done in civ. life. the other branches spend there money on useful stuff while these guys spend it on air conditioners and cable/satellite. I have respect for some of the air force, pilots and the personnel that take care of their planes and the air force from a few years ago. the others are a bunch of spoiled babies
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Well face it, no one in the army, navy or marines, ever works around the real air force.
The only ones they come in contact with, are the desk weenies and spec ops.
You won’t ever see the other services out of the flight line, where the majority of the people in the air force work everyday.
So all those soldiers and marines talking about the Air Force, are talking out their butts.
They just do not know, what the majority of the Air Force does all day.
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Yes i loved being spoilt like on the night the Berlin wall went up Friday the 12 august 1961 doing 8 hrs on flight line Duties and 8 hrs Guard duty and spending the other 8 hrs sleeping in a cockpit three days and when we asked for time off we were told Forget it in relation to the Politicians my 38 years was closer to 50 years so much for queens regulation in 1953 which stated ever member of the services is entitled to 8 hrs uninterrupted Sleep HA double HA
In my room in Germany where 2 cooks who got up every morning a 0400 Hrs
and i really loved doing Explosives convoys during peace time sleeping on the back of the Truck with the Explosives
doing Night duty on a special weapons Squadron with temperatures of -27 degrees My overcoat got wet and Froze and when i took it off it stood up all by itself
and During the malaysian emergency and the Confrontation Living in tents doing 8 hrs bombing up aircraft 8 hrs on a bren gun and about 6 hrs sleep
and during the Nato or Seato exercises that lasted for 2 weeks in every month working an average of 14 hrs a day yes lots of pampering
but for about 18 weeks of the year yes i slept in a real bed
and i can not count the amount of times i have been called out from my bed with my wife for a special operation and when i left the Air force after 38 years they owed me over 900 hrs of leave in Lieu 113 days lost never paid put down as gift to my country
there is No job in the Military that can be called Easy Yes i lived on base in air-conditioned and central heated accommodation with temps for 6 months of the year below 15 degrees C it kept us alive
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Retired Warrant Officer After 38 years in the Air Force